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default would increase borrowing costs and therefore add to future budget deficits. this letter from the treasury secretary intended to put more political and public pressure on congress to do something on the debt ceiling. so we're seeing the administration across the board acting in a very conservative way today. >> thank you very much. >>> up next, he spent millions of his own money warning about dangers of socialism. now the next crisis in washington. tom peterffy will join me next. ♪ [ cows moo ] [ sizzling ] more rain... [ thunder rumbles ] ♪ [ male announcer ] when the world moves... futures move first. learn futures from experienced pros with dedicated chats and daily live webinars. and trade with papermoney to test-drive the market. ♪ all on thinkorswim. from td ameritrade. with the spark cash card from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! woo-hoo!!! so that's ten security gators, right? put them on my spark
default would increase borrowing costs and therefore add to future budget deficits. this letter from the treasury secretary intended to put more political and public pressure on congress to do something on the debt ceiling. so we're seeing the administration across the board acting in a very conservative way today. >> thank you very much. >>> up next, he spent millions of his own money warning about dangers of socialism. now the next crisis in washington. tom peterffy will join...
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and japan famously has run deficits year after year. and it has a level of debt that is about twice what we've got as a share of gdp. and people have been predicting financial catastrophe for japan year after year for ten years or more. they've had downgrades. their debt was downgraded in 2002 by the major rating agencies. and everybody who believed those warnings and everybody -- has lost a lot of money. so it turns out that if you're an advanced country with its own currency and a reasonably stable government, you have a lot of running room on these things. so am i worried? yeah, i mean, i am worried about the u.s. fiscal situation 20 years from now. we do have a problem of health care costs and so on. but, you know, i'm worried about a lot of other things 20 years as well. i'm not sure that even if you take that long term perspective, that the budget should be at the top of your list of things to be afraid of. i'm a lot more afraid, actually, of the great -- the entire southwest of the united states turning into a dustbowl because of
and japan famously has run deficits year after year. and it has a level of debt that is about twice what we've got as a share of gdp. and people have been predicting financial catastrophe for japan year after year for ten years or more. they've had downgrades. their debt was downgraded in 2002 by the major rating agencies. and everybody who believed those warnings and everybody -- has lost a lot of money. so it turns out that if you're an advanced country with its own currency and a reasonably...
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the consensus is, we need about $4 trillion to stabilize our debt and our deficit. which means we need about $1.5 trillion more. the package that i offered to speaker boehner before we -- before the new year would achieve that. we were actually fairly close in terms of arriving at that number. so if the goal is to make sure that we are being responsible about our debt and our deficit, if that's the conversation we're having, i'm happy to have that conversation. and by cin
the consensus is, we need about $4 trillion to stabilize our debt and our deficit. which means we need about $1.5 trillion more. the package that i offered to speaker boehner before we -- before the new year would achieve that. we were actually fairly close in terms of arriving at that number. so if the goal is to make sure that we are being responsible about our debt and our deficit, if that's the conversation we're having, i'm happy to have that conversation. and by cin
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if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that, and, you know, we can achieve it fairly quickly. we know what the numbers are. we know what needs to be done. we know what a balanced approach would take, and we've done probably more than half of the deficit reduction we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's probably been more pain and drama in getting there than we needed, and so finishing the job shouldn't be that difficult if everybody comes to the conversation with an open mind and if we recognize that there's some things like not paying our bills that should be out of bounds. all right? i'm going to take one last question. jackie collins. yeah. >> i would like to ask you now that you've reached the end of your first term, starting your second, about a couple of criticisms. one that's longstanding. another more recent. the long-standing one seems to have become a truism of sorts that you and your staff are
if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that, and, you know, we can achieve it fairly quickly. we know what the numbers are. we know what needs to be done. we know what a balanced approach would take, and we've done probably more than half of the deficit reduction we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's probably...
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if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable, over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then, democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that, and we can achieve it fairly quickly. i mean we know what the numbers are. we know what needs to be done. we know what a balanced approach would take and we've already done probably more than half of the deficit reduction we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's probably been more pain and drama in getting there than we needed. and so finishing the job shouldn't be that difficult. if everybody comes to the conversation with an open mind, and if we recognize that there's some things like not paying our bills that should be out of bounds. i'm going to take one last question. jackie. >> i'd like to ask you, now that you've reached the end of your first term, starting your second, about a couple of criticisms. one that's longstanding, another more recent. the long-standing one seems to have become a truism of sorts that you and your staff are too insular, that you
if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable, over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then, democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that, and we can achieve it fairly quickly. i mean we know what the numbers are. we know what needs to be done. we know what a balanced approach would take and we've already done probably more than half of the deficit reduction we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's...
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if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that and we can achieve it fairly quickly. we know what the numbers are, we know what needs to be done. we know what a balanced approach would take, and we've already done probably more than half of the deficit reduction we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's probably been more pain and drama in getting there than we needed. and so finishing the job shouldn't be that difficult, if everybody comes to the conversation with an open mind and if there's some things like paying our bills should not be out of bounds. i'll take one last question. >> mr. president, i would like to ask you, now that you've reached the end of your first term, starting your second, about a couple of criticisms. one that's long-standing, another more recent. the long-standing one seems to become a truism of sorts, that you and your staff are too insular, that you don't socialize enough. and the
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and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> thank goodness. but next, news flash, we already hit the ceiling two weeks ago. and the treasury's been using, quote, extraordinary measures to pay its bills. what does that even mean? the money shuffle can't last forever. the u.s. is out of money to pay its bills, it's already spent in less than four weeks. i have cousins that do that. they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until marc
and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> thank goodness. but next, news flash, we already hit the ceiling two weeks ago. and the treasury's been using, quote, extraordinary measures to pay its bills. what does that even mean? the money shuffle can't last forever. the u.s. is out of money to pay its bills, it's...
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must tackle its debt and deficit problems. that is why there must be spending decreases, something they say wasn't a part of the deal the president just signed to avert, at least some of the fiscal cliff. tracy: here we go again. if february 15th is the big day, that would mean your poor wife will probably be alone on valentine's day, rich edson. god bless you. >> there are worse things. tracy: buy her a box of chocolate. >>> with earnings season getting in full swing this week our next guest says results could provide a base for the market to move higher especially because expectations are so darn low. joining us, margie battle, wells fargo advantage funds senior portfolio manager. earnings are low but doesn't bode well for what we'll hear out of these companies, does it? >> well i think some companies have done some preannouncements where they're expecting their growth to slow down because we should have some pretty low gdp growth for the next several months because of all the uncertainty. however, most companies have high c
must tackle its debt and deficit problems. that is why there must be spending decreases, something they say wasn't a part of the deal the president just signed to avert, at least some of the fiscal cliff. tracy: here we go again. if february 15th is the big day, that would mean your poor wife will probably be alone on valentine's day, rich edson. god bless you. >> there are worse things. tracy: buy her a box of chocolate. >>> with earnings season getting in full swing this week...
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ironically, it added to the deficit. it should not be surprising given all this talk that the american people think washington is hurting rather than helping the country at the moment. they overwhelmingly want us to create more jobs. let's finish this debate. the certainty that our economy and reputation are still second to none. america has a lot to do. we have to boost the wages of those who have -- we have to give our children the best education possible and we have to do everything we can to protect them from gun violence. let me say i am grateful to vice president biden for his work on this issue of gun violence and for his proposals which i will be reviewing today and i will address the next few days. i intend to vigorously pursue. with that, i will take some questions and i will start with julie of a piece and i want to congratulate julie for this new and important job. >> i wanted to ask about gun violence. today marks the one-month anniversary of the shooting in newtown which seem to push the assault weapon ban.
ironically, it added to the deficit. it should not be surprising given all this talk that the american people think washington is hurting rather than helping the country at the moment. they overwhelmingly want us to create more jobs. let's finish this debate. the certainty that our economy and reputation are still second to none. america has a lot to do. we have to boost the wages of those who have -- we have to give our children the best education possible and we have to do everything we can...
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the deficit. there has probably been more pain and drama in getting there than we needed. so finishing the job shouldn't be that difficult if everybody comes to the conversation with an open mind and if we recognize that there's some things like not paying our bills that should be out of bounds. all right? i'm going to take one last question. jackie colmes. >> mr. president. >> yeah. >> i like to ask you, now that you reached the end of your first term, starting your second, about a couple of critsims. one longstanding, another more recent. the longstanding one seems to become a truism of sorts that you and your staff are too insular. that you don't socialize enough. and the second, more recent criticism that your team taking shape knit diverse, isn't as diverse as it could be or even was in terms of getting additional voices, gender, race, ethnic diversity. i would like you to address both of those. >> let me take the second one first. you know, i'm very proud in the first four years we had as di
the deficit. there has probably been more pain and drama in getting there than we needed. so finishing the job shouldn't be that difficult if everybody comes to the conversation with an open mind and if we recognize that there's some things like not paying our bills that should be out of bounds. all right? i'm going to take one last question. jackie colmes. >> mr. president. >> yeah. >> i like to ask you, now that you reached the end of your first term, starting your second,...
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and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. as the speaker said two years ago, it would be, and i'm quoting, speaker boehner now, a financial disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so we've got to pay our bills. and republicans in congress have two choices here, they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. the last time republicans in congress even flirted with this idea our aaa credit rating was down graded for the first time in our history, our businesses created the fewest jobs of any mont
and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. as the speaker said two years ago, it would be, and i'm quoting, speaker boehner now, a financial disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so we've got to pay our bills. and republicans in congress have two choices here, they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act...
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the deficit. is that really the objective? the concern is we are spending more than we take in. that is the case, there is a way of balancing that so that we take in more money, increasing revenue, and we reduce spending. there is a recipe for getting that done. in the conversation i had was speaker boehner by the end of the year, we became pretty close, a few hundred dollars -- a few hundred billion separating us. it seems as though what is motivating this from the house republicans is more than debt reduction. they have a vision about what government should and should not do. they are suspicious about government policy commitment to make sure that seniors have decent health care as they grow older. they have suspicions about social security. they have suspicions about whether government should make sure that kids in poverty are getting enough to eat or whether we should be spending money on medical research. they have a particular view about what government should do and should be. that deal was
the deficit. is that really the objective? the concern is we are spending more than we take in. that is the case, there is a way of balancing that so that we take in more money, increasing revenue, and we reduce spending. there is a recipe for getting that done. in the conversation i had was speaker boehner by the end of the year, we became pretty close, a few hundred dollars -- a few hundred billion separating us. it seems as though what is motivating this from the house republicans is more...
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most republicans have insisted that with the government facing another trillion dollar deficit this year, any increase in borrowing authority must be tied to cuts in spending. the president flatly disagreed. >> i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up. >> brown: the 2011 stand-off between the president and republicans over the debt ceiling led the nation to the bryning of national default. standard and poors even lowered its rating on u.s. government bonds. today, president obama said any repeat performance would be, quote, irresponsible. >> if the goal is to make sure that we are being responsible about our debt and our deficit, if that's the conversation we're having, i'm happy to have that conversation. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with a gun at the head of the american people. >> brown: at the sa
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we cannot afford a $4 billion a day deficit and trillion dollar plus deficits every single year. we just cannot afford it. so it requires thoughtfulness and it requires that we are going to have a plan to work through this. i think that that's where we as republicans are headed. >> congresswoman marsha blackburn, thank you for taking the time to talk to us. michael, let me get back to you in this meeting that speaker boehner is going to be having and convince that he's going to have to do to conservative members of his party. how tough a sell job? >> i think it's tough. one reason it's tough, i was struck by the congresswoman's comments. i think there is fundamental disagreement about what it would mean not to just have a clean raising of the debt ceiling. so, in other words, if i heard the congresswoman correctly, i think she was reflecting a sense among some people that you could shut down the government, stop paying some bills, pay other bills, pay interest on the debt, for instance, and we could kind of get through it that way. i think a lot of -- a lot of other republicans,
we cannot afford a $4 billion a day deficit and trillion dollar plus deficits every single year. we just cannot afford it. so it requires thoughtfulness and it requires that we are going to have a plan to work through this. i think that that's where we as republicans are headed. >> congresswoman marsha blackburn, thank you for taking the time to talk to us. michael, let me get back to you in this meeting that speaker boehner is going to be having and convince that he's going to have to do...
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they are more or less speaking to their deficit reduction target and very significantly this agreement which beat expectations. it certainly was a risk that met up the business association and the unions would not come to agreement about making the labor market more flexible, that it would have to be imposed by the legislature and that could have created more legislation. but in the end, they got three out of the last five unions to agree. >> do they have growth? >> well, you know, who does? i think at this point, i don't think we can ask too much out of france right now. they've got, i think, the targets for gdp is now 0.2%, 0.3%. but it's kind of the same thing facing the rest of europe. i don't know if that's is particular to them and they are going to be able to pay their debts. it's not going to be a spiral debt that puts us back into the crisis again. >>> national retail federation conference in new york kicks off a week for gatherings in the u.s. >> we'll take a look at what investors could glean from these events. what are you doing? nothing. are you stealing our daughter's sch
they are more or less speaking to their deficit reduction target and very significantly this agreement which beat expectations. it certainly was a risk that met up the business association and the unions would not come to agreement about making the labor market more flexible, that it would have to be imposed by the legislature and that could have created more legislation. but in the end, they got three out of the last five unions to agree. >> do they have growth? >> well, you know,...
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and ironically would probably increase our deficit. so, even to entertain the idea of this happening of the united states of the america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it's absurd. agsz the speaker said two years ago, it would be and i'm quotings speaker boehner now, a financial disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so, we got to pay our bills. republicans in congress have two choices here, they could act responsibly and pay america's bills. or they could act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leveraged to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america, is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. last time republicans in congress even flirted with this idea, our triple a credit rating was downgraded. our businesses created the f fewest jobs in any months. and the whole fiasco actually added to
and ironically would probably increase our deficit. so, even to entertain the idea of this happening of the united states of the america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it's absurd. agsz the speaker said two years ago, it would be and i'm quotings speaker boehner now, a financial disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so, we got to pay our bills. republicans in congress have two choices here, they could act responsibly and pay america's bills. or they could act...
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. >> megyn: and my last question for you quickly he's put in place, 3.25 in place of deficit reduction, a little short of 4 trillion we need, but he would have the american public believe he's significantly reduced our deficit as president. >> which makes you wonder why we need another 2 trillion dollars so desperately now as we are getting ready for the beginning of his second term. obviously, that's 2 1/2 trillion that is, well, fanciful in my opinion and ethereal in others and it's not a reduction in baseline, it's a reduction in the rate of growth of spending, which is again suffocating to the private economy and unsustainable over the course of the next several years. >> megyn: one thing we did hear the president reference personally, we heard it from nancy pelosi prior, but the president personally talking about now closing more loopholes and that means higher taxes. we don't know on who, but he would not specify any specific spending reductions and refusing to negotiate with the house republicans on the issue of the debt ceiling. lou, an interesting couple of months. looking for
. >> megyn: and my last question for you quickly he's put in place, 3.25 in place of deficit reduction, a little short of 4 trillion we need, but he would have the american public believe he's significantly reduced our deficit as president. >> which makes you wonder why we need another 2 trillion dollars so desperately now as we are getting ready for the beginning of his second term. obviously, that's 2 1/2 trillion that is, well, fanciful in my opinion and ethereal in others and...
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the fact is though we can't finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone. the cuts we've already made to priorities other than medicare medicaid, social security and defense, mean that we spend on everything from education to public safety less as a share of our economy than has been true for a generation, and that's not a recipe for growth. so, we've got to do more both to stabilize our finances over the medium and long term but also spur more growth in the short term. now, i've said i'm open to making modest adjustments to programs like medicare to protect them for future generations, and i've also said that we need more revenue through tax reform by closing loopholes in our tax code for the wealthiest americans. if we combine a balanced package of savings from spending on health care and revenues from closing loopholes, we can solve the deficit issue without sacrificing our investments in things like education that are going to help us grow. turns out, the american people agree with me. they listened to an entire year's debate over this issue and they ma
the fact is though we can't finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone. the cuts we've already made to priorities other than medicare medicaid, social security and defense, mean that we spend on everything from education to public safety less as a share of our economy than has been true for a generation, and that's not a recipe for growth. so, we've got to do more both to stabilize our finances over the medium and long term but also spur more growth in the short term. now,...
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one that would reduce our deficits by $4 trillion over the next decade. which would stabilize our debt, and our deficit in a sustainable way for the next decade. that would be enough not only to stop the growth of our debt relative to the size of our economy, but it would make it manageable. so it doesn't crowd out the investments we need to make in people and education and job training and science and medical research, all the things that help us grow. step by step, we've made progress towards that goal. over the past two years i've signed into law about $1.4 trillion in spending cuts. two weeks ago i signed into law more than $600 billion in new revenue. by making sure the wealthiest americans begin to pay their fair share. when you add the money that we'll save in interest payments on the debt, all together that adds up to a total of about $2.5 trillion in deficit reduction over the past two years. not counting the $400 billion already saved from winding down the wars in iraq and afghanistan. so we've made progress. we are moving towards our ultimate g
one that would reduce our deficits by $4 trillion over the next decade. which would stabilize our debt, and our deficit in a sustainable way for the next decade. that would be enough not only to stop the growth of our debt relative to the size of our economy, but it would make it manageable. so it doesn't crowd out the investments we need to make in people and education and job training and science and medical research, all the things that help us grow. step by step, we've made progress towards...
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if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that and we can achieve it fairly quickly. we know what the numbers are, we know what needs to be done, we know what a balanced approach would take. we've already done probably more than half of what we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's probably been more pain and drama in getting there than we needed. and so finishing the job shouldn't be that difficult. if everybody comes to the conversation with an open mind, and if we recognize that there is some things like not paying our bills that should be out of bounds. i'm going to take one last question. jackie. >> i'd like to ask you, now that you reached the end of your first term, starting your second, about a couple of criticisms, one that's longstanding, another more recent. the longstanding one seems to become a truism of sorts that you and your staff are too insular, that you don't socialize enough. and the seco
if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that and we can achieve it fairly quickly. we know what the numbers are, we know what needs to be done, we know what a balanced approach would take. we've already done probably more than half of what we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's probably been more pain and drama in...
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there's actually been several rounds of deficit reduction worth reviewing. back in 2010 and '11, they put a bunch of continuing resolutions or kind of spending caps onto mostly discretionary programs. in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from discretionary programs. >> what's the budget control act? >> it's what came out of the last debt ceiling debacle when the republicans and the democrats agreed on this trillion dollars of roughly discretionary -- all discretionary spending reductions. but the point is, none of this really touches entitlements. none of it touches the mandatory. and its $2.4 trillion. >> wh
there's actually been several rounds of deficit reduction worth reviewing. back in 2010 and '11, they put a bunch of continuing resolutions or kind of spending caps onto mostly discretionary programs. in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so...
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. >> reporter: president obama stating very clearly today that he will not negotiate deficit reduction, tax increases and spending cuts attached to the debt ceiling. this of course does follow that bruising battle the year before last, where he did negotiate on the issue, and the u.s. nearly went to the brink of default. he said that congress has to pay the bills that it's already racked up. >> you don't go out to dinner and then, you know, eat all you want and then leave without paying the check. and if you do, you're breaking the law. and congress should think about it the same way that the american people do. you don't -- now, if congress want, to have a debate about maybe we shouldn't go out to dinner next time, maybe we should go to a more modest restaurant, that's fine. that's the debate that we should have. >> reporter: in this press conference that was called last minute in the east room, president obama said he will negotiate a deal on deficit reduction but not, as he put it, quote, with a gun to the head of the american people. as you know, joe, republicans are saying they're
. >> reporter: president obama stating very clearly today that he will not negotiate deficit reduction, tax increases and spending cuts attached to the debt ceiling. this of course does follow that bruising battle the year before last, where he did negotiate on the issue, and the u.s. nearly went to the brink of default. he said that congress has to pay the bills that it's already racked up. >> you don't go out to dinner and then, you know, eat all you want and then leave without...
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